4 posts tagged “druidry”
Ellis' "The Druids" a a study of the ancient Druids, combining archaeology and references from classical literature in order to describe what is and isn't known about the intellectual caste of the ancient Celts. Ellis explicitly states that he wants to dispel some of the wild speculations and popular myths that surround the Druids, and give us "the reality of what was once Druidism."
This is one of those books that is on every reading list of every Druid group there is. It's always held up as important reading for the scholarly-minded student of Druidry. The ADF reading list calls it "the best modern survey of what we know and don't know about the Celtic Druids" [http://www.adf.org/training/resources/reading.html]. My own order, the AODA, has it first on the list of recommended books for Second Degree studies of historical druids [http://www.aoda.org/books2.htm].The Henge of Keltria has it as one of the top 5 picks on the subject [http://www.keltria.org/Publications/Bookstore.htm].
See what I did there? I made a particular claim - that it is considered important reading. Then, I named several well-respected sources to back up that claim and included specific information allowing the reader to check my sources. This technique accomplishes several things. First, it shows that I have done my research on this subject - I'm not making it up. Second, it shows that I am relying on particular sources - not my neighbor Joe, not some guy's blog, but the actual websites of the Druid groups in question. Third, and most importantly in my opinion, it shows a level of respect both for my own writing and for the reader. I respect my own writing enough to assume that the reader is taking it seriously, and I respect my readers enough to provide them with an easy way to get more information if they want to find out what else is on those reading lists. This is why we cite sources. It's not some arcane scholarly practice; it's just good common sense, especially when doing the kind of writing that Ellis does in this book. Drawing from multiple sources both ancient and modern, Ellis synthesizes this material and adds his own interpretation to give us an overview of what is and isn't known about the ancient Druids.
Except, he doesn't cite his sources. Most of the time the reader has to guess as to whether what we're getting is Ellis' interpretation or someone else's. He sometimes makes vague comments in the text - "Diodorus Siculus says that..." or "Pliny writes that..." or "Nora Chadwick claims..." . Even then, without some kind of citation, the reader is left to flounder around - there's a quote from Strabo on page 174 that is a perfect example of this. "An examination of this... in Strabo's work has been translated as:" followed by a quote in English. This is extremely frustrating. I'm assuming it's the Jones translation of 1923 because of the language style, and because that's the commonly used one (it might be the only complete translation - I'm not sure.) I shouldn't have to guess, though. As a Greek scholar, I would love to look up the passage and read it in the original; the translation as given looks a little odd - what would Greek for "trousers" be? or "plaid"? I would have to look to another source to find out, though, because Ellis not only leaves out the name of the translator but entirely neglects to cite where in all of the Geography the passage appears. Ellis apparently assumes that his readers don't actually care where he got all this information. This is just one example of something that happens over and over again in the book - an interesting tidbit is held out, but only a little nibble is offered. So, in spite of what some have claimed, this is not actually a scholarly work at all. It's a popular history, intended for those who won't be interested in reading much else on the subject.
This is OK - popular histories certainly have their place. Generally, they are light, breezy, easily digested and interesting to people from many walks of life. Parts of this book succeed very well in that respect. I loved the chapter on "The Wisdom of the Druids," after I had resigned myself to the citation issue. Others are far too heavy-handed; he makes it clear that he does not think classical sources can be trusted and that he does not believe that there is any evidence for human sacrifice among the ancient Celts. Then he makes it clear again. And again. I found his contortions to try to explain away the Lindow Man to be kind of funny - he is so completely invested in the idea that the ancient Celts did not do human sacrifices that he cannot face the fact that it is a perfectly legitimate interpretation in some cases. This particular hobby-horse of his is problematic, because it reveals his particular biases on the subject, and the reader is left to wonder about whatall of the less-obvious biases might be. Popular histories are the most fun when the author's voice comes through clearly, as long as the author is bright and witty and charming. When Ellis' voice does come through, he just sounds peevish. This book has all the charm and verve of a scholarly work, with the scholarship level of a popular history.
He has the usual concluding chapter saying the usual ridiculous things about modern Druidry. I came to the conclusion long ago that authors use this sort of thing as a shield. Certain topics are highly suspect in the academic world: Druids, witches, goddesses, drugs, the occult, and magic can ruin a scholar's reputation. By clearly indicating that they think that the vast majority of what is written on these subjects is trash, and by making fun of people who take these things seriously, the scholar says to his peers, "See, l'm not one of those people. Those people are nuts. I'm serious, I'm not like them, I'm like you." It's a version of schoolyard bullying. Ellis says, on page 280: "I have encountered many calling themselves 'New Age Celts,' usually not Celtic by culture, preaching harmony with nature, fighting to protect endangered species of animal and plant life, who have stared in incomprehension when it has been pointed out that the Celtic civilization itself is struggling in a last-ditch attempt to survive in the modern world." I would bet money that this never happened. First of all, I don't know of anyone anywhere who calls themselves a "New Age Celt." I googled the term to see if I was missing something, and found very few references to the term. Some referred to a musical style, some referred back to this very quote, and some used the term to make fun of Celtic-influenced spirituality. I didn't see anyone calling themselves a "New Age Celt." I'm trying to imagine this conversation:
N.A.C.: Hi, I'm a New Age Celt, I do lots of work to protect endangered species and I feel it's really important to live in harmony with nature.
P.B. E.: But the Celtic civilization itself is struggling in a last-ditch attempt to survive in the modern world!
N.A.C.: Um, yeah... (tries to think of something placating to say to this conversational non sequitir) umm... really?
P.B.E. Aha! I see you staring in dumb incomprehension.
It just doesn't ring at all true as a real exchange between actual people. I think it's another hobby-horse of the author's - the perceived lack of involvement with the Celtic nationalist movement by people who claim Celtic influences on their spirituality, and he made up these "many New Age Celts" to illustrate that point.
With all of that said, I would still recommend this book to anyone studying Druidry. It's been very influential among people that Ellis would call "New Age Celts" and I think it's appropriate that we read this as part of our education. If I were to recommend just one book about the ancient Druids, it wouldn't be this one, but if I were to make a list, this would be on it. There are, as I said, good parts - you just have to wade through the speculation and vague references to get there.
This is one of those books that is on every reading list of every Druid group there is. It's always held up as important reading for the scholarly-minded student of Druidry. The ADF reading list calls it "the best modern survey of what we know and don't know about the Celtic Druids" [http://www.adf.org/training/resources/reading.html]. My own order, the AODA, has it first on the list of recommended books for Second Degree studies of historical druids [http://www.aoda.org/books2.htm].The Henge of Keltria has it as one of the top 5 picks on the subject [http://www.keltria.org/Publications/Bookstore.htm].
See what I did there? I made a particular claim - that it is considered important reading. Then, I named several well-respected sources to back up that claim and included specific information allowing the reader to check my sources. This technique accomplishes several things. First, it shows that I have done my research on this subject - I'm not making it up. Second, it shows that I am relying on particular sources - not my neighbor Joe, not some guy's blog, but the actual websites of the Druid groups in question. Third, and most importantly in my opinion, it shows a level of respect both for my own writing and for the reader. I respect my own writing enough to assume that the reader is taking it seriously, and I respect my readers enough to provide them with an easy way to get more information if they want to find out what else is on those reading lists. This is why we cite sources. It's not some arcane scholarly practice; it's just good common sense, especially when doing the kind of writing that Ellis does in this book. Drawing from multiple sources both ancient and modern, Ellis synthesizes this material and adds his own interpretation to give us an overview of what is and isn't known about the ancient Druids.
Except, he doesn't cite his sources. Most of the time the reader has to guess as to whether what we're getting is Ellis' interpretation or someone else's. He sometimes makes vague comments in the text - "Diodorus Siculus says that..." or "Pliny writes that..." or "Nora Chadwick claims..." . Even then, without some kind of citation, the reader is left to flounder around - there's a quote from Strabo on page 174 that is a perfect example of this. "An examination of this... in Strabo's work has been translated as:" followed by a quote in English. This is extremely frustrating. I'm assuming it's the Jones translation of 1923 because of the language style, and because that's the commonly used one (it might be the only complete translation - I'm not sure.) I shouldn't have to guess, though. As a Greek scholar, I would love to look up the passage and read it in the original; the translation as given looks a little odd - what would Greek for "trousers" be? or "plaid"? I would have to look to another source to find out, though, because Ellis not only leaves out the name of the translator but entirely neglects to cite where in all of the Geography the passage appears. Ellis apparently assumes that his readers don't actually care where he got all this information. This is just one example of something that happens over and over again in the book - an interesting tidbit is held out, but only a little nibble is offered. So, in spite of what some have claimed, this is not actually a scholarly work at all. It's a popular history, intended for those who won't be interested in reading much else on the subject.
This is OK - popular histories certainly have their place. Generally, they are light, breezy, easily digested and interesting to people from many walks of life. Parts of this book succeed very well in that respect. I loved the chapter on "The Wisdom of the Druids," after I had resigned myself to the citation issue. Others are far too heavy-handed; he makes it clear that he does not think classical sources can be trusted and that he does not believe that there is any evidence for human sacrifice among the ancient Celts. Then he makes it clear again. And again. I found his contortions to try to explain away the Lindow Man to be kind of funny - he is so completely invested in the idea that the ancient Celts did not do human sacrifices that he cannot face the fact that it is a perfectly legitimate interpretation in some cases. This particular hobby-horse of his is problematic, because it reveals his particular biases on the subject, and the reader is left to wonder about whatall of the less-obvious biases might be. Popular histories are the most fun when the author's voice comes through clearly, as long as the author is bright and witty and charming. When Ellis' voice does come through, he just sounds peevish. This book has all the charm and verve of a scholarly work, with the scholarship level of a popular history.
He has the usual concluding chapter saying the usual ridiculous things about modern Druidry. I came to the conclusion long ago that authors use this sort of thing as a shield. Certain topics are highly suspect in the academic world: Druids, witches, goddesses, drugs, the occult, and magic can ruin a scholar's reputation. By clearly indicating that they think that the vast majority of what is written on these subjects is trash, and by making fun of people who take these things seriously, the scholar says to his peers, "See, l'm not one of those people. Those people are nuts. I'm serious, I'm not like them, I'm like you." It's a version of schoolyard bullying. Ellis says, on page 280: "I have encountered many calling themselves 'New Age Celts,' usually not Celtic by culture, preaching harmony with nature, fighting to protect endangered species of animal and plant life, who have stared in incomprehension when it has been pointed out that the Celtic civilization itself is struggling in a last-ditch attempt to survive in the modern world." I would bet money that this never happened. First of all, I don't know of anyone anywhere who calls themselves a "New Age Celt." I googled the term to see if I was missing something, and found very few references to the term. Some referred to a musical style, some referred back to this very quote, and some used the term to make fun of Celtic-influenced spirituality. I didn't see anyone calling themselves a "New Age Celt." I'm trying to imagine this conversation:
N.A.C.: Hi, I'm a New Age Celt, I do lots of work to protect endangered species and I feel it's really important to live in harmony with nature.
P.B. E.: But the Celtic civilization itself is struggling in a last-ditch attempt to survive in the modern world!
N.A.C.: Um, yeah... (tries to think of something placating to say to this conversational non sequitir) umm... really?
P.B.E. Aha! I see you staring in dumb incomprehension.
It just doesn't ring at all true as a real exchange between actual people. I think it's another hobby-horse of the author's - the perceived lack of involvement with the Celtic nationalist movement by people who claim Celtic influences on their spirituality, and he made up these "many New Age Celts" to illustrate that point.
With all of that said, I would still recommend this book to anyone studying Druidry. It's been very influential among people that Ellis would call "New Age Celts" and I think it's appropriate that we read this as part of our education. If I were to recommend just one book about the ancient Druids, it wouldn't be this one, but if I were to make a list, this would be on it. There are, as I said, good parts - you just have to wade through the speculation and vague references to get there.
I read this book this week, while I was on my Internet fast and reading all the stuff on my shelf that I hadn't gotten to yet. It uses the Avalonian landscape - that is, landscape features from the vicinity of Glastonbury Tor - as the basis for a fivefold system that combines the Western magical tradition with the Mabinogion and a large helping of feminist psychology. To be honest, I wasn't expecting very much. I love working with women and female-centered magical groups have a particular energy all their own that I miss. However, such groups far too often fall into becoming annoying bitch sessions with lots of poor-meism, combined with shallow pop psychologizing.
Um, anyway, I was pleasantly surprised by the book. I do find psychology personally annoying, but that doesn't mean it can't be a valuable tool. To my surprise, the author really does know her way around the Western magical tradition and makes some impressively high-level observations - she seems to have done a great deal of her homework. I hope that doesn't sound condescending - I mean it with utmost respect. While there is ample room for plaintive bitching in the practices she gives, it's balanced out by an emphasis on taking that deep inner work and putting it to work in the outer world. I've started working with the system, and while it's too soon to make a comment about it, I like it so far. I am seriously thinking of joining the Sisterhood of Avalon, the associated order. I think it makes a good complement to my AODA work - the one complaint I have about the AODA is that there doesn't seem to be any acknowledgement of the varying experiences between the genders. It's not even really a complaint, but I do believe that there are women's and men's mysteries, and I want to keep that feminine power in my work. A woman's group would bring some more of that sort of thing into my life. I also checked their "required reading" list and saw that I have read all but two of those books, and that they include Franz Bardon, of all people, on the list - I can see where it is that she did her aforementioned homework. There is plenty of overlap with the AODA stuff - she even has a section of the book that talks about three-fold, four-fold, and five-fold systems that is very close to what is in the Handbook.
I have until Beltaine to decide -they only accept new members at certain times - so I'm going to work with this material a few times a week and see how I feel about it by then.
Um, anyway, I was pleasantly surprised by the book. I do find psychology personally annoying, but that doesn't mean it can't be a valuable tool. To my surprise, the author really does know her way around the Western magical tradition and makes some impressively high-level observations - she seems to have done a great deal of her homework. I hope that doesn't sound condescending - I mean it with utmost respect. While there is ample room for plaintive bitching in the practices she gives, it's balanced out by an emphasis on taking that deep inner work and putting it to work in the outer world. I've started working with the system, and while it's too soon to make a comment about it, I like it so far. I am seriously thinking of joining the Sisterhood of Avalon, the associated order. I think it makes a good complement to my AODA work - the one complaint I have about the AODA is that there doesn't seem to be any acknowledgement of the varying experiences between the genders. It's not even really a complaint, but I do believe that there are women's and men's mysteries, and I want to keep that feminine power in my work. A woman's group would bring some more of that sort of thing into my life. I also checked their "required reading" list and saw that I have read all but two of those books, and that they include Franz Bardon, of all people, on the list - I can see where it is that she did her aforementioned homework. There is plenty of overlap with the AODA stuff - she even has a section of the book that talks about three-fold, four-fold, and five-fold systems that is very close to what is in the Handbook.
I have until Beltaine to decide -they only accept new members at certain times - so I'm going to work with this material a few times a week and see how I feel about it by then.
What are your Superbowl plans? What's your prediction and why?
Submitted by danatmedog.
Oh, right, there's some kind of football game going on today. Well, my plans are to attend an Imbolc ceremony at a Druid grove. I predict that there will be several awkward moments where something doesn't go as planned, several luminous spiritual moments that make it all worthwhile, and drinks at the pub afterwards.
I keep a Druidry blog on blogger where I keep track of various thoughts and activities having to do with my practice in the Ancient Order of Druids in America (go read it! I write lots of stuff! I love feedback! read the aoda site too - we rock)
I just set this up, too. Why? Whatever for?
Well, I try to keep the Druidry thing on a relatively serious level - there is a certain amount of random mutterings there but most of it is stuff I've actually thought about. I like being frivolous, too, though, and there are actually things going on in my life that have no explicit connection to Druidry - though if I worked hard at it I could probably relate just about anything that goes on back to Druidry. It's just like that.
So this is the place for shorter, sillier or non-druidical writing. Also, a random pictures, like the one below of my home. I miss it and want to go back. I don't live at home anymore; I live in Philadelphia - which is not my home.
